Mr. Howard:

Mr. Chairman, may I make a comment on the point of order and in respect of what the Postmaster General has just said. On previous votes in committee, on two separate occasions I have raised a similar point of order without naming the hon. Members who came in late. On each occasion the chairman of the committee at that time agreed that my point of order was well taken and that hon. members should not enter the chamber when a vote was being taken in committee.

The Chairman refers to Standing Order 12(2) of the previous issue of the Standing Orders. Today it is Standing Order 15(2), and it reads:

When Mr. Speaker is putting a question, no Member shall enter, walk out of or across the House, or make any noise or disturbance.

The Chairman goes on to say:

There is no doubt that by analogy the same rule will apply in committee. Therefore I believe that one vote should be deducted from the count made.

The other ruling to which I would like to refer is by Mr. Speaker Lamoureux, as reported in Hansard on December 2, 1971, at page 10,076. It reads:

Mr. Coward:

Oh yes, it would be very imprudent to pull out of a pension plan just because we will have a new government plan. Most people will want more than the government plans will provide. The government plan provides a basic floor and pensions in addition through pension plans and through private saving will be very necessary; and I would strongly recommend that you should consider very carefully before you consider discontinuing a plan or pulling out your money.

There has been a good deal said in the House of Commons on the problem of integration of the Canada pension plan with other pension plans, over a long period of time. I can remember back as far as November 4, when the resolution was introduced into the house and I made comments in this regard. It is not within the legislative power of the federal government to tell individual firms in this country how they and their employees

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will work in integrating their pension plans with the Canada pension plan. It may be that where no pension plan exists, or where the pension benefits are small, the Canada pension plan will be simply decked on top of the existing benefits in the pension plans that exist.

1. During the fiscal year 1963 was any contract awarded for the construction of bungalows or houses at Fort Chimo, Quebec to Ron Engineering and Construction (Quebec) Limited and, if so, what was (a) the amount of the contract (b) the number of bungalows or houses (c) the cost of each bungalow or house, and (d) the use to which the bungalows will be put?

2. Since the contract was awarded has any revision been made to the said contract or any request made for such a revision and, if so, what are the details thereof?

Questions

1. For the month of September 1963 was any inmate in the B.C. penitentiary notified that, after a review of the conduct, industry and attitude of the said inmate, he had failed to earn the possible three days remission for that month and, if so, how many said inmates were so notified?

2. Without disclosing the names of the said inmates, what were the reasons in each case for the failure to earn the said remission?

Has the R.C.M. Police, any of its officers or personnel, or anyone on behalf of the R.C.M. Police raised any objections or complaints or made any observations or reports concerning space or the location thereof in the presently being built municipal building at Terrace, B.C.?