Charles-Noël BARBÈS

BARBÈS, Charles-Noël

Personal Data

Chapleau (Quebec)
Birth Date
December 25, 1914
Deceased Date
June 8, 2008

Parliamentary Career

June 10, 1957 - February 1, 1958
  Chapleau (Quebec)

Most Recent Speeches (Page 3 of 3)

November 25, 1957

Mr. C. N. Barbes (Chapleau):

Mr. Speaker, I wish to say a few words, very briefly, on that question. We hear more and more about co-operation and understanding between those who speak English on the one hand and those of French origin on the other.

I very warmly congratulate the hon. member for Joliette-L'Assomption-Montcalm (Mr. Breton) for having introduced a motion which will promote bilingualism, an essential factor of progress and unity in Canada.

It is very important, Mr. Speaker, that our requests be heard and understood, as soon as they are made in this house, by each and every member of the cabinet, whether these petitions be made in the French or in the English language.

The motion of the hon. member for Joliette-L'Assomption-Montcalm seems to me to promote in that way that national unity which we have so much at heart. Moreover, it should not raise any controversy and, even if the question of cost should be held against it, let us not forget that it would be much better to spend money in that way to promote national unity than to spend it, for example, for lighting around the parliament buildings, which only pleases the eyes of everybody.

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November 22, 1957

Mr. Barbes:

May I first congratulate personally the minister for having been called as a member of the present cabinet. Then may I refer to a recent book entitled "Prospecting in Canada" published by the Department of Mines and Technical Surveys. My request would be for a translation of said work and for its distribution in our high schools and our libraries so that this very up to date publication may be available also in the French language for distribution at the earliest possible time. Many people in the district of Abitibi which I represent here will thus obtain considerable information which would eventually allow them to take a more effective part in connection with research and the development of new mineral deposits, be it for iron, zinc, gold or copper.

The minister is also requested to offer the public more publications in both the English language and the French language. This would be useful for more than one area in the province of Quebec at least. The publication to which I referred, namely "Prospecting in Canada" by A. H. Lang, published in 1956, publication No. 2529, contributes to the expansion of the Canadian mineral industry and to the success of many prospectors, students and companies. It includes very interesting data on the stature of Canada's mineral industry. It refers to prospectors of the past, prospectors of today and prospectors of the future. Conventional methods of prospecting and special methods also are explained in the publication. More particularly I refer to geophysical prospecting methods, the dip needle, the gravity method, seismic methods and electrical induction methods. It compares ground and airborne magnetometer surveys.

In view of the very interesting discovery in Chapleau riding of zinc and iron ore deposits lately, we ask the minister if he will order a helicopter-equipped party to complete more topographical mapping along the Harricana river and also along the Not-taway river which both flow towards James bay. Such mapping in the area north of lake Mattagami would permit more complete and adequate knowledge about possible hydraulic development associated with other mining and industrial projects of interest at the present time for the Harricana and lake Mattagami areas.

This would undoubtedly be useful at this time for the provincial authorities who, we are told, are considering the possibility of authorizing industrial development in the area.

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November 19, 1957

Mr. C. N. Barbes (Chapleau):

Mr. Speaker, I have a grievance to put before the house. With your permission I would like to speak about radio and television service more particularly as it concerns the area which I represent in this house the constituency of Chapleau.

A number of listeners in the Abitibi area have expressed the wish to be provided with certain religious broadcasts such as Sunday mass and morning devotions at 7.30 each morning, through the private stations at La Sarre and Amos.

Radio is a social service which should satisfy the tastes and the needs of the public. As the people of Abitibi are 90 per cent French-speaking and Catholic, it would be well for the C.B.C. to insist that the private stations associated with the government network, such as those of the Radio-Nord Inc.

chain, provide their listeners with a good many additional broadcasts originating with the C.B.C. I make that suggestion also on behalf of listeners who are in poor health, old, crippled, or invalids. I know too that a great many people who have to look after numerous small children are unable to attend mass every Sunday because of the distance they live from the churches.

My request is also justified by section 21 of the Canadian Broadcasting Act (chapter 32 RSC). The broadcasting licences are defined as being a temporary and conditional alienation of an important and precious element of public wealth to the benefit of a group or a company.

The C.B.C. is empowered to set the periods during which a private station must carry network programs. Licence holders, especially those in private networks, who are thereby the sole broadcasters in an isolated area such as ours, have a duty to supply to the whole of their listening public the best programs of the French network.

As regards the radio program called "Morning Devotions", it is so varied and of such high quality that our people would like to enjoy it every day. It must not be replaced by songs or by music sometimes of a dubious if not bad taste. Would you agree, Mr. Speaker, to replace the daily prayer in the house by discussions relating to rock'n roll? Certainly not.

Private radio stations should at all times show themselves worthy of the licence that has been granted to them, and of the privilege of the exclusive use of the air, which is part of public property.

An effective way for the government to encourage a better standard of radio service in a given area consists in supplying that area with the additional service of the C.B.C., thereby giving listeners the opportunity to choose whichever program they prefer.

I favour private enterprise as long as it maintains for the benefit of the public a service always worthy of commendation.

I would like to add a few words, if I may, on a related subject. I assure you that, in the Abitibi area, we have long wanted to view the programs which the French television network has been broadcasting for the past five years in Canada. According to official reports supplied to us, 86 p. 100 of this country is now well covered in this field. We should like to have the same treatment in

the Chapleau constituency. We should like the advantages of French television service because this service would only be normal, I believe, in an area where the population is almost 90 p. 100 French-speaking. It is only fair to ask the government to offer us at least the French programs if it is too difficult to give us the benefit of both networks as is already the case for many other areas.

A private station, CKRN - TV in our neighbouring county of Villeneuve, should soon start its TV operations but will not cover the whole of my area. For that reason, I ask the government to supply us with the services of the national network in Chapleau. At Rouyn, in the county of Villeneuve, CKRN - TV will assign 50 p. 100 of its time to French programs. But this is not enough. What we want is a transmitting station for the benefit of the eastern part of Chapleau, Barraute, to Clova and Parent, an area more than 200 miles long which will not be reached by the Rouyn station.

Everywhere in Canada, the population insists on getting numerous programs of an irreproachable quality. People who know have said that C.B.C. compares favourably with other richer and more extensive networks. Canadians may no doubt be proud of the C.B.C., and it is exactly because we are 125,000 Canadians proud of the progress made by our country that we insist and wish to see, in our own homes, with our own eyes, the gigantic growth of Canada through the medium of radio and television. We need a service of this type for our entertainment but still more, no doubt, for education purposes. We need television, for instance, for all our bush workers and our mine workers who live very far from the cities and have no other means than radio to witness the gigantic growth of our country. We must open a window to children and our fellow citizens so that they may know each other better and have more reason to love Canada, a country of more than 16J millions of citizens who should have closer relations in order to achieve their goal, that is to live in good understanding, from one part of the country to the other.

To reach that goal, Mr. Speaker, it would be as necessary to supply all our fellow citizens with adequate radio and television services as to defend ourselves from external enemies who sometimes spread subversive propaganda.

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We recognize that our radar systems of warning, those for example of Parent and Senneterre, which have been set up at great cost, are useful even if one day we find that guided missiles could fall on us before the signal is given by telephone to the prime minister's office.

And as far as we are concerned, Mr. Speaker, we believe that the requested radio and TV service is as urgent and more important, for several reasons, than the broadcast of numerous international programs in sixteen or seventeen foreign languages to serve the Norwegians, the Swedes, the Danes, the Finns, the Dutch, the Italians, the Germans, the Austrians, the Czechs, the Russians, the Ukrainians, the Poles or others. It would be more urgent to offer this service to the French Canadians of northwestern Quebec who have none at all than to the peoples of Europe or Latin America who do not pay any taxes in Canada. Canadians have to pay for that. May the government then give, without any more delay, complete broadcast service in French or in the two languages so recently spoken by our very gracious sovereign, Her Majesty the Queen, when she visited Ottawa.

Admittedly the government finances an important part of television. Such being the case we would like the C.B.C. to set aside a part of the money it receives to create a system of relay towers which would bring T.V., by microwave over the Laurentians, beginning at Ottawa or Montreal, and reaching northward as far as the constituency of Chapleau. This should be done even at the expense of reducing broadcasts beamed towards Europe.

Let the C.B.C. create a high power station to serve Canadians in Chapleau. Some of the larger centres enjoy the two networks at the same time, which is all to the good. But, Mr. Speaker, we would at least like to have French language television service throughout our home area. I could add at this point that my constituents have already begun, in large numbers, to pay towards the cost of establishing such a telecommunication service by buying receiving sets which are liable to a special 15 per cent sales' tax the proceeds of which are handed over to the C.B.C. which uses them to establish new services.

If the government were to decide that the development in question would cost the C.B.C. too much at this time, do not forget that it would be in a better position to justify the maintenance costs of the radar system passing through Parent, Senneterre, and along the "Pinetree" line, if a picture transmission service were added to the latter. If the government really wishes to economize as claimed,

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it would be easy for the Minister of National Defence (Mr. Pearkes), the Minister of National Revenue (Mr. Nowlan) who has the C.B.C. in his care, and the other members of the government, to direct that the "Pine-tree" radar line be modified to transmit television pictures as far as Parent and Senne-terre, where radar stations are located and enable our people to receive the telecasts thus relayed. Some say that our defence and radio and television services are more or less kept in watertight compartments. Well, those are the very compartments which the government must open. Let us therefore hold a conference at the Parent station or, if it is preferable, at Senneterre, where the Gordian knot could easily be cut.

On behalf of all the people of my constituency, I therefore urge the federal government to take immediate action to achieve in the near future the two improvement and development suggestions which I have explained too rapidly here concerning radio and television broadcasting, particularly in the eastern part of my constituency.

After witnessing several days ago all that was done in order that our royal visitors could appear at the same time on the Canadian and American television networks, I am sure that, if the government will only give favourable consideration to our requests, everything will be in operation very shortly.

In a few weeks the C.B.C. has done wonders, and I commend those who have directly or indirectly taken part in this gigantic operation, which made it possible for us to see Her Majesty the Queen of Canada, and thus admire and respect her the more.

Unfortunately, the children of my district have, generally speaking, not been able to see Queen Elizabeth. We should not wait any longer; it is time to act and the whole population of Chapleau is anxious to see this project carried out.

It is true that the networks have cost many million dollars last year; five million people have seen live broadcasts of our great hockey games. And, as soon as the winter season begins, we, in my riding of Chapleau and elsewhere, also want to see all the hockey games and all the educational programs, which the C.B.C. may broadcast every day. The project is feasible, if the government really wants to give us the improvements I request and which the people of my county of Chapleau entirely approve.


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October 29, 1957

Mr. C. N. Barbes (Chapleau):

Mr. Speaker, on behalf of the farmers of my constituency,

I would like to say a few words at this stage on Bill 14, providing for cash advances on prairie grain prior to delivery thereof.

Through this legislation the government wishes to authorize cash advances to prairie farmers-and I repeat this-on threshed grain, before its delivery to the Canadian wheat board. The producer of wheat, barley or oats will therefore be enabled to receive


cash advances up to a maximum of $3,000. In this way 100 to 150 million dollars will probably be advanced to western farmers on farm stored grain.

Mr. Speaker, the bill is possibly to the advantage of the western grain producer, but in the opinion of the farmers who, like myself, live in the eastern part of the country, this appears to be preferential treatment at the expense of the taxpayer, if the measure is adopted as such.

As for myself, before voting for such a measure, I would like our homesteaders and those farmers of ours who have woodlots to benefit from cash advances also, though not exclusively on pulpwood which has been cut and offered for sale but not yet delivered to the buyer. Advances such as are proposed by the bill, carrying no interest, should, to my mind, apply everywhere.

Those thousands of farmers who clear land, cut wood and farm in our districts will certainly not approve this legislation. It is not enough to promise an inquiry on the price spread between what is paid to the producer and what is paid by the consumer. Such an inquiry has nothing to do with a nation-wide agricultural policy.

Yesterday the member for Victoria-Carle-ton (Mr. Montgomery) told us that this measure was a part of the Conservative national policy, that it had been explained throughout the length and breadth of this country during the last general election. Well, as far as I am concerned, I would like to point out here that, during the last campaign in my constituency, my opponent was at pains to say that legislation in favour of those people who live on the prairies was preferential treatment costing millions of dollars, that these privileges were unacceptable if we remembered that our own farmers do not benefit from similar federal legislation concerning what they produce on their own land.

This particular point having been raised in our constituency, I am of the opinion that many Canadians who live on the land in Abitibi would not favour such a proposal. I have all the sympathy in the world for our western friends, but on the other hand I will not forget our own farmers who would like to keep on farming and, at the same time, receive their fair share of the national income.

On October 15 last, Mr. Speaker, an hon. member asked the government whether it intended to set up a commission to investigate price spreads. At that time, the right hon. Prime Minister (Mr. Diefenbaker) stated that the government had given immediate consideration to this most serious and difficult 96698-34

farming problem, one respecting which he himself had spoken on a number of occasions, stressing the need of something being done to investigate this spread in prices paid to the producers as compared to those required of consumers. The right hon. Prime Minister promised at that time that a statement would be made on this matter in the near future.

A few days later, that is on October 23, the hon. Minister of National Health and Welfare (Mr. Monteith), in submitting the government program, explained the details of government bills relating to the Old Age Pension Act, the Old Age Assistance Act, the Blind Persons Act and the Disabled Persons Act.

On the following day, that is on October 24, the hon. Minister of Agriculture (Mr. Harkness), speaking of farming problems and of a stabilizing price measure, merely stated that he had realized, when he took office as Minister of Agriculture, that the situation was extremely serious, adding that he had tried to improve the situation as far as some agricultural products are concerned and that he would continue to take every possible step with all possible speed to correct this unfortunate situation.

Well, Mr. Speaker, once the government has proposed an overall plan and submitted all the farming measures as a whole, taking into account the needs of eastern farmers, I shall be in a position to consider this bill. However, for my part, it is my duty to vote against this measure if a vote is recorded on second reading.

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