Mr. CROSBY.

I understand it is to be extended 28 feet long by 11 feet wide and 10 feet high. Is that 10 feet over the surface of the water?

Mr. CROSBY.

Will the hon. minister give the names of the officers of the 'Niobe' and 'Rainbow' who have been selected to attend the coronation?

Mr. CROSBY.

Yes, he has turned half way round, and I hope he will come all the way round. It is an indication that he is about to turn. Somebody says that he is on the wrong side. There has been very little argument on the other side of the House. The only argument was that of the hon. gentleman from Moosejaw-or is it Long Jaw?

Mr. CROSBY.

Thanks, very much: I thought it was Long Jaw from the nature of the argument to which he treated us this evening. He is the only gentleman who pretended to present anything in the nature of an argumtent. He threw his hands around his head, held his waist as if he was wearing corsets, and kept us about an hour and a half, but I do not think that any hon. member of the House will be able to understand any one point that he made until he reads ' Hansard ' to-morrow, because I do not think anybody in this House could follow what he was endeavouring to demonstrate. He was of very little use in helping out the Minister of Agriculture. I intend to vote for the motion of my hon. friend for Macdonald for the reason that it has been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that the men from whom the minister has been taking advice are criminals. If they have been proven to be criminals I am naturally suspicious of the kind of men they will recommend. They will not recommend men better than themselves and therefore I intend to vote for the amendment of my hon. friend.

House divided on amendment (Mr. Staples).

YEAS:

Messieurs.

Macdonell,

Magrath,

Middlebro,

Monk,

Northrup,

Owen,

Paquet,

Armstrong,

Arthurs,

Barker,

Best,

Blain,

Borden (Halifax), Bradbury,

Broder, Perlev. Reid (Grenville),

Burrell,

Campbell, Rhodes,

Cowan, Roche,

Crosby, Sexsmith,

Crothers, Sharpe (Ontario),

Daniel, Smyth,

Doherty, Stanfield,

Donnelly, Staples,

Elson, Taylor (Leeds),

Eraser, Taylor (New

Gilbert, Westminster),

Goodeve, Thornton,

Haggart (Winnipeg), Wallace,

Henderson, White (Renfrew),

Herron, W ilcox,

Jameson, Wilson (Lennox and

Kidd, Addington )i*and

Lake, Lennox, Wright.-51.

NAYS:

Messieurs.

Allard, McLean (Huron),

Allen, McMillan,

Aylesworth (Sir Allen) Martin (Montreal, S

Boyer, Mary's),

Carvell, Martin (Wellington)

Champagne, Clarke (Essex), Meigs,

Michaud,

Congdon, Miller,

Currie (Prince Murphy,

Edward), Nesbitt,

Demers, Oliver,

Devlin, Pardee,

Douglas, Parent,

Dubeau, Paterson,

Eorfiment, ) Pickup,

Emmerson, Prowse,

Fielding, Pugsley,

Fisher, Rankin,

Fortier, Reid (Restigouche).

Fowke, Richards,

Gauvreau, Rivet,

Geoffrion, Robb,

Girard, Ross (Middlesex),

Gladu, Ross (Rimouski),

Hodgins, Rutan,

King) Savoie,

Knowles, Sealey,

Kyte, Seguin,

Lafortune, Sinclair,

Lonctot (Laprairie- Smith (Middlesex),

N ilie), . Smith (Nanaimo),

Lanctot (Richelieu), Smith (Stormont),

Lapointe, Sperry,

Law, Talbot,

LeBlanc, Templeman,

Loggie, Tobin,

Lovell, Tolmie,

Macdonald, Turcotte (Nicolet),

MacNutt, Turgeon,

McAllister, Turriff,

McCraney, Verville,

McGiverin, Warburton and

McIntyre, McKenzie, Wilson (Laval).-84.

PAIRS:

Graham,

Lemieux,

Bureau,

Stratton,

Harris,

Hunt,

Clark (Red Deer), McLean (Sunbury), Martin (Regina), Guthrie,

Marcile,

Gervais,

Conmee,

German,

Brown,

Delisle,

Ethier,

Bickerdike,

Harty,

Gordon (Kent), McColl,

Black,

Beauparlant, Mayrand,

Major,

Proulx,

Chisholm Cash,

Schell,

McCoig,

Molloy,

Carrier,

Papineau.

Crocket, Worthington, Chisholm (Huron), Gordon (Nipissing), Beattie,

Boyce,

Bristol,

McCarthy,

Ames,

Poster,

Nantel,

Osier,

Porter,

Lancaster,

Lortie,

Schaffner,

Marshall,

Forget,

Lalop,

Lewis,

Stewart,

Barnard,

Price,

Thoburn,

Maddin,

McCall,

(Antigonish) Currie (Simcoe), Meighen,

Clare,

Blondin,

.Sharpe (Lisgar), Edwards,

Russell.

Amendment (Mr. Staples) negatived.

Mr. CROSBY.

I did not intend saying anything in regard to this question, but

when the Minister of Finance lectured this side of the House on the question and said that hon. members had not proven that a single criminal had been appointed a commissioner, I was surprised. That is very true, but we have proved that the [DOT]enumerators had been and are nominated by criminals. That is what we proved and that_ is what we are trying to impress the '[DOT]minister with. But, it seems there is no impression to be made on him to-night. On Friday he was very easily impressed by the hon. member for Macdonald. He jumped up from his seat on that occasion like a trout jumping at a fly in the springtime. But to-night he is perfectly satisfied to sit in his seat and have nothing to say to him. He is prepared to take it all. He has not even the Minister of Finance to help him. The Minister of Finance says that not one of the enumerators is a criminal. We say that Mr. Perry, who has recommended the enumerators in Manitoba, has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be a criminal. His recommendation has been accepted because we have the statement of the Minister of Agriculture that he has appointed some enumerators on the recommendation of Mr. Perry. We also have the statement that the names of the 105 applicants for appointment as enumerators in the city of London have been submitted to Mr. Reid, a noted criminal, for selection. It is not the enumerators that we are worried about but our suspicion is aroused by the manner in which they are appointed. We do not know these men, we do not know what they are going to do, but we do know that if we accent the recommendations of men of this character we are going to get into a bad condition with regard to the census. It was a very nice thing for the Minister of Finance to get up and tell us that when they appoint a Lieutenant Governor they do not tell us who recommended him We can easily find that out whenever Lieutenant Governors are appointed. Anybody who can see any distance at all can tell why a Lieutenant Governor or a member of the Supreme Court bench has been appointed, and who has recommended him. But, in the case of enumerators, with Perry and Reid and men of that character how can we tell? The Minister of Agriculture cannot tell himself;. he admits that he does not know anything about them. All the knowledge he has of the enumerators is what he has obtained from men of this character. It is little wonder that we are suspicious. We are suspicious first of the Minister of Agriculture anyway. But he creates furthej- suspicion by the selection of the men whose advice he takes in the important matter of the census. It has been proved to-night that two of the men who have been the advisers of the Minister Mr. CROSBY

of Agriculture in the selection of these enumerators have been criminals. He said at one time that it did not make any difference what was said about any man as long as it was1 not proved in court. My hon. friend the leader of the opposition brought Perry before the court and settled him right here, and then my hon. friend from Elgin (Mr. Crothers) settled the other man Reid by pointing out that he had been in court, and that the court had settled him. Yet we have not been able to settle the Minister of Agriculture. He sits in the same position-