Mr. PIUS MICHAUD (Restigouche and Madawaska):
I have listened attentively to
the discussion of this important subject for many hours, and I must say, Mr. Speaker, that I cannot understand the attitude of my hon. friends to your left. I do not know what shivers have taken hold of them in the past two years. They seem to be embarrassed on account of the extra powers we may develop in this country in connection with our hydroelectric. In all the provinces of the Dominion we have power to develop, and no doubt in many provinces there will be a surplus of power that should be sold somewhere outside of our own country. For instance, we are developing our natural resources in many provinces as well as we possibly can. I ask my hon. friends from the prairie provinces;
if they had no market for their produce outside of Canada, what would they do with the extra quantity of wheat that they produce? The same thing applies to the electric power development of this country. The Minister of Railways (Mr. Graham) has spoken very openly and1 clearly on the subject, and I have listened to him with great attention. He has alluded to the province of New Brunswick as did the hon. member for Yorlc-Sunbury (Mr. Hanson), and I wish to speak in reference to the latter province. In that province we have one of the largest water-powers of the Maritime provinces. Its development is required in order that our province should go ahead. Recently application for the development of the Grand falls was made to the province of New Brunswick, and a meeting was held in Montreal last Friday and Saturday in connection with this matter. I hold in my hand the Gazette, published in Montreal, in which appears a report of the decision at the meeting of the International Joint Commission. The report reads as follows:
The chairman, C. A. Magrath, entrusted to Sir WiJliam Hearst the task of issuing a statement.
Here is the statement:
The commission has granted an order of approval of tho plans submitted by the Hydro-Electric Power Commission of New Brunswick for the development of power at Grand Falls, N.B., subject to a number of terms and conditions with reference to the compensation of all parties-
I might say en passant, that this is in connection with the shore rights along the St. John river. The report proceeds:
-sustaining damages, or whose property has been in any way taken or injured in connection with the development.
The United States claimed at first that they had a sovereign ri^ht in connection with this development on account of their international situation. After a long debate and after the argument made by the attorney representing Canada at that last meeting the United States gave up the idea of their sovereign rights, and in order to show that they had no rights at all the Canadian attorney established and proved to the representative of the United States that as soon as the shore rights on the American side were purchased by the New Brunswick Hydro Electric Commission the United States would no longer have any right in connection with this development.
In order to show the House that the Americans have no longer any rights, I may say that they have asked, not as a compensation, not under their sovereign right, but just as a compromise, that the New Brunswick Electric Company should sell them 2,000 horse-power
Export oj Power
and they would pay for it just the same amount as would be paid by a Canadian consumer. The 2,000 horse-power does not represent the rights of the Americans as far as the international boundary is concerned. The international boundary on each side of the river covers a distance of seventy miles. The Americans are claiming only 2,000 horsepower, whereas we are going to develop between 50,000 and 75,000 horse-power. They do not claim even one-fifth of their rights according to the agreement which I have just read. This water-power is developed on Canadian soil entirely, and according to the engineers the dam that will be built will allow the water to flow back for a distance of only fourteen miles, that is fourteen miles out of a distance of seventy miles as far as the international boundary is concerned. Our American friends are willing and ready to give us what we are entitled to. In order to make this development a success, while a certain quantity of this power will be needed to fill our requirements at home, we feel that we are going to develop more than we need at home, and for that reason we want to have the power, not under the Dominion government, but under our provincial rights, to sell outside the extra power that we shall have on hand.
Therefore, I would suggest that it would be very apropos for the House to arrive at this conclusion, that the export of hydro-electric power from Canada should be permitted only on yearly license, and that hereafter no license for export of power beyond that already granted should be issued except with the concurrence of the province or provinces in which it is proposed to develop such power. That means that no power should be exported out of any province by the Dominion without the consent of the province where the power is developed. Let me appeal to my hon. friends from the west. They are just about to develop their provincial water-powers, and I remember not very long ago in the Railway committee seeing on two occasions moving pictures showing the great water-powers about to be developed in Manitoba, Alberta and British Columbia. I ask my hon. friends from the west: When
you start to develop your power and you have a surplus after providing for all your industries, farmers, merchants and the rest of your inhabitants, what are you going to do with your surplus? Are you going to be allowed to keep that at home without deriving any revenue from it? Are you going to let the government say: No, we will not allow you
to export any of that power? You want to 273 [DOT]
control that privilege. As long as a province has the right to export its own power, there is no danger of its going too far in that direction.
Topic: SUPPLY-EXPORT OF POWER