DIONNE, Ludger, M.A.

Personal Data

Beauce (Quebec)
Birth Date
March 1, 1888
Deceased Date
June 4, 1962

Parliamentary Career

June 11, 1945 - April 30, 1949
  Beauce (Quebec)

Most Recent Speeches (Page 1 of 5)

February 1, 1949

Mr. Ludger Dionne (Beauce):

Mr. Speaker, many hon. members have already spoken in this debate on the speech from the throne, and no doubt many others will take part in it. It is not my intention to elaborate on its text. In taking part in the debate, I do so with the intention of exposing a situation which, to my mind, is not in the interests of the Canadian taxpayers and which is detrimental to the practical and economical administration of the Canadian government.

This afternoon I had the privilege of hearing my colleague, the hon. member for St. James (Mr. Beaudry), suggest a reduction of the income tax by 50 per cent. I think we can go further than that. We have on our statute books provision for a special sales tax of 8 per cent on a good many manufactured articles. This tax brings to the Canadian treasury a sum varying between $350 million and $400 million per annum. This tax costs the Canadian taxpayers thirty cents for every dollar of processed raw material. Yet it yields to the treasury only eight cents. The difference of twenty-two cents goes into profit of the various intermediaries, according to their various stages in the distribution ladder. This fact is easily verified. The instance I am taking is that of cotton goods, a requisite in every household in Canada including my constituency. Let us look at the tax and profit history of a shirt. When selling $100 worth of shirt fabrics, the textile manufacturer must charge 8 per cent sales tax. This material is then billed at $108 as cost price to the shirt manufacturer. The shirt manufacturer doubles this amount for making the shirt ready for marketing. He thus bills at $216 these goods converted into shirts. The wholesaler adds a profit of 25 per cent to his cost of $216-namely, $54-which brings his sales price to $270. The retail merchant who pays $270 for the goods adds his profit of 50 per cent or $135 which, added to his cost of $270, brings the retail price to $405, which is the price the consumer must pay for these goods.

If there were no sales tax of 8 per cent collected at the source, the same scale of markup would work out as follows. The textile manufacturer would invoice his goods at $100, the shirt manufacturer would bill his shirts at $200. The wholesaler would bill the same goods at $250 and the retailer would make his retail price $375. In other words, the $8 which the government has collected at the manufacturer's shipping department now costs the consumer $30, the difference between $405, which is the retail price with the 8 per cent sales tax, and $375, which would be the retail price after allowing the same margins of profit but without the orig-

inal sales tax. This means that the consumer has, through the operation of the sales tax, paid $30 for what will bring $8 to the treasury. By the simple process of applying its 8 per cent sales tax at a different level of distribution, the government of this country could obtain the following results: not interfere with the margin of profit or the markup of any of the intermediaries of manufacturing or distribution; not modify the retail purchase price of any article of consumption, but increase its revenue by three and three-quarter times, and thereby eliminate the need of personal income tax to the extent of over one billion dollars a year.

The sales tax of 8 per cent at the source is yielding to the government a revenue of $400 million, in round figures. If the government collected $30 on the same goods instead of $8, they would get an approximate revenue of over one billion dollars, and nobody would be any worse off. Some hon. members may think it will create a problem to the govern-merit to collect the sales tax of 8 per cent on the retail level. This problem can be easily solved by compelling the retailers to put a stamp on the shirt. This stamp would represent 8 per cent of the retail price of the shirt.

I hope the government will listen favourably to this suggestion, because I cannot understand why they would any longer permit over one billion dollars to escape from the treasury and go into the cash of intermediaries who do not need it. With this huge sum of over one billion dollars the government could probably vacate the income tax field entirely.

How many times have I previously asked the government for income tax relief in favour of Canadian taxpayers. I will not repeat all I have said in previous years with regard to the income tax and the raising of the exemptions. Everyone here knows my views. This year I should like to add this. In the past I urged higher exemptions for the lower brackets. This year I am urging that all brackets can be almost fully exempted and by means which will represent no added burden to the taxpayers, either as taxpayers or as consumers.

I know that some people stick to the idea that the income tax is on our statute books until the end of humanity. They argue that it is the fairest form of taxation, owing to the fact that the higher the earnings of the individual the higher the taxes. The same reasoning applies to the sales tax. When a wealthy man buys a suit of clothes costing $100 he will pay $8 tax. When the poor man buys a suit of clothes costing $25 he will pay $2 tax. That is the favourite argument. Let me tell you that no matter how just in theory the income tax may appear to some people, it can never be entirely fair in its application, and

we cannot be deaf to the protests against it. Some provincial governments collect hundreds of millions of dollars through indirect taxes. You never hear very much criticism of it.

Let us take a package of cigarettes on which there is probably a tax of twenty cents. You never hear anybody complaining about the price of thirty-eight cents at which it is sold on the market. Why? Because the buyer pays for it in cash at the counter. If this package of cigarettes were sold at fifteen cents, and at the end of the year the government tried to collect $60 from the smoker who had bought 300 packages of cigarettes in the course of a year, you would probably hear the same recriminations as you do about the income tax. Why should the Minister of Finance (Mr. Abbott) insist upon the income tax which displeases every Canadian citizen, and which in the case of the farmer particularly makes the laying of each egg, and the picking of each carrot, a bookkeeping operation?

Like every other hon. member of this house, I have been sent here by my constituents to serve to the best of my ability and in their interests. This duty impels me to suggest that the income tax legislation can be repealed, and at no cost either to my constituents or to the rest of the country. In suggesting the means I am only doing my duty and that which the responsibility my electors have placed upon my shoulders forces me to do.

I trust the minister and his officers will give more than glancing consideration to my suggestions. I stand ready to uphold that the welfare of each Canadian justifies it, and I can assure the minister that my constituents, by themselves, are sufficient reason why I should not cease my efforts in the field of taxation. If we can find other ways and means to tax our population without provoking their feelings, I think it is our duty to do so.

The income tax system is obsolete. As long as it applied to business firms exclusively, where reliable auditors had to sign income tax returns, the government had some reason to enforce it, because it could be taken for granted that most of the income tax returns were exact. But now that it applies to almost everybody it would be rather too optimistic to expect the same result. Consequently, when a law cannot be enforced with justice and fairness to all it must be discarded and replaced by some other more practical system. The system I advocate would eliminate the need for income tax and would not add to the burden of the consumer by one iota. It would, however, tell him exactly where his money goes. I believe that the Canadian citizen is big enough to take that with equanimity.

The Address-Mrs. Strum

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June 30, 1948

Mr. DIONNE (Beauce):

Why then seek to cast odium on people whose sole ambition is to produce for the benefit of their country?

And those great reformers, who take up more than half the time of the house, why don't they go to the root of the evil?

W orking men appeared before the committee. Were they questioned about things they knew? Were they asked why building costs are so high nowadays, when obviously such eosts absorb most of the liquid assets of potential owners? Were they asked why they only lay 350 bricks a day at wages ranging from $1.20 to $1.50 an hour, as compared to

1,000 to 1,500 bricks a day at only 60 cents an hour a few years ago?

No such questions were puit to them.

It might be told that no building tradesmen appeared before the committee, but I can reply that the example I have just given with respect to bricklayers applies to every field of activity.

If the practised critics we have in the house had had the courage to put such questions, they would have made themselves unpopular, and of course that is what we seek above all to avoid in this house. Some party members in this house have no more concern for the public weal than for the first pair of shoes they ever wore in their native land, beyond the seas.

Does a member believe he is true to his mandate when he adopts such a course of action? Does he believe he is doing a service to the working class, in representing its members as wretched people who are shamefully exploited?


Is that conducive to the resoration of harmony among the Canadian people? Will it bring about the solving of the many problems we are facing in these troubled times, engendered by the most terrible war that has ever devastated the world?

We are often enough taken to task in this house for not reading the debates. I shall answer for the benefit of some among us: let us make the debates less dull if we want them to be read.


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June 30, 1948

Mr. DIONNE (Beauce):

-but Providence will undoubtedly help us overcome our present difficulties, as at the end of the war. Millions of persons were then working in war industries or serving in the armed forces. How many of them are unemployed today? National production has increased from 6 billions to 13 billions. When will we stop telling our people that they are on the verge of starvation and that they are unhappy, while in fact we are witnessing an era of unprecedented prosperity? Nor do I agree with the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles) who suggests that rigid enforcement of price and wage controls would solve our problems. No supervisory system will increase the worker's output while decreased production is the very cause of higher prices.

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June 30, 1948

Mr. DIONNE (Beauce):

Moreover, as the Minister of Finance (Mr. Abbott) has just pointed out, it seems that these controls are a provincial responsibility. If so, I would suggest that the government hand this task back to the provinces.

Why did the government set up a committee on prices? In an attempt to find means of bringing down the cost of living.

Traders and manufacturers of various commodities were called before the committee so that it might find out whether any of them were exploiting the public.

Though not a member of the committee, I closely followed its proceedings, and my personal opinion is that many of its members honestly tried to do a useful piece of work in the public interest.

Unfortunately, others took advantage of their appointment to the committee to put either themselves or their political creed in the limelight.

If there was a time when the political ideologies of certain members of the house should have been kept completely in the background, it was during the sessions of the prices committee. Unfortunately, that is not what happened.

That was evidenced when the prices committee's report was brought in. Much of the criticism in the house about the report was

based on destructive conclusions concerning private enterprise.

I note that such destructive criticism has come mostly from people who would not know the first thing about industrial management.

The sole purpose of many of those speeches -or I should say ravings-was to make out industry as a parasite, a leech feeding on the blood of its people.

To the gentlemen whose philosophy aims solely at establishing a socialist regime in this country, I ask this one question: "What has allowed Canada to develop into one of the most beautiful countries in the world, if not private enterprise?"

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May 27, 1948

Mr. DIONNE (Beauce):

Mr. Speaker, I was paired with the hon. member for Quebec (Mr. McLure). That is why I refrained from voting.


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