Mr. Ross (Souris):

Don't overrate yourself.

Mr. Ross (Souris):

These are facts and

the facts are borne out by the wheat board reports during these years.

Mr. Ross (Souris):

If the hon. member for

Springfield had been listening he would have known that I said that it was on the basis of the average prevailing price of class II wheat during these periods and what the wheat producers actually received. Is that satisfactory?

Mr. J. A. Ross (Souris):

Mr. Speaker, I have listened with some interest to the minister's address on the new international wheat agreement. He ended his remarks by saying that it is not a perfect agreement, but I should like to say that I believe it is very disappointing to the great majority of farm producers. He talked about security and stabilization. We have had some experience in this respect both under the United King-dom-Canada agreement and under the prevailing wheat agreement. On the basis of the difference between the price for class II wheat and what the farmers actually received in these periods, such agreements have cost the farmers in the neighbourhood of $800 million. To my mind that is quite a price to pay for the system of stabilization that is being sought.

Mr. Ross (Souris):

These are facts substantiated by the statistics issued by the minister's department, and they cannot be refuted.