Mr. ROEBUCK:

All you have to do is to show that and you can cancel the Canadian nationality of the individual; but you must not punish'the innocent because of the guilty. There may be some who have dual nationality, who owe a loyalty to the emperor of Japan and who attempt to show the same attitude toward the king of England. It cannot be done. If you can show that, there is no difficulty at all in cancelling the British citizenship, and I rather think you could) cancel the nationality of even a person bom here, although I am not so sure about that. My point is that you must not do these things by rumour and assumptions. Even-handed justice requires that we prove such charges against the guilty individual and not in a broad way assume that all must be guilty because of some national characteristics. I have found even in my short experience that usually characteristics attributed to large sections of a community, to groups, to nationalities, to races and so on, have very little foundation in fact. They are usually fictions. For instance, there is a fiction that the French are excitable, the English phlegmatic, and so on; I could mention many more. Usually these are not based upon facts but upon assumptions. The French are often phlegmatic and the English excitable. So that perhaps it may be with those of Japanese origin who have had the benefit of long years of association with Canadians and of Canadian training. It may be that they are not quite so bad as, say, the military clique who guide the destinies of Japan. It is not my intention to-night to argue the question of the Japanese or to constitute myself their champion.

Mr. ROEBUCK:

I have listened with a

great deal of pleasure, Mr. Chairman, to

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the discussion carried on to-day on the broad questions of foreign policy. There was a time when we Canadians found it very difficult to discuss our own national problems, because in the minds of some people, whenever we asserted Canadianism we were in some way anti-British. Nothing of the kind. As Canada gradually emerges to nationhood; as the complex of the little man disappears and we become powerful and influential in world affairs; as our position becomes more clearly recognized abroad, we are approaching our national questions with a little more sanity and reason. The only vast difference that I see between the Canadianism I have heard expressed from across the floor, particularly by hon. members of the Progressive Conservative party, and that held so firmly on this side of the house is this. While we are all for Canada, there seems to be some doubt across the way as to whether or not we have grown up. They are still in the Kipling age: "Daughter am I in my mother's house, but mistress in my own." That_was a very catchy and descriptive phrase when it was written by Mr. Kipling, but that was a good many years ago. The day has gone by when Canada is daughter in anyone's house, though undoubtedly she is mistress in her own. Those were the days when Canada's right to guide her own foreign affairs was still in doubt. Then we were daughter in our mother's house. To-day, however. we are peers in the British commonwealth of nations, in which none is in any way inferior to the other in any aspect of our domestic or foreign affairs. In that attitude I -beleive we are far stronger than in that advocated from across the aisle; that is to say, an adult nationhood but in some way subservient to some other nation.

Mr. ROEBUCK:

My hon. friend came

very close to it.

Mr. ROEBUCK:

A better simile would be the tadpole which disappears when the butterfly appears. Therefore if you would find out what the Conservative party stands for, do not go to John the Baptist-

Mr. ROEBUCK:

It is I who should

raise the point of order because of the very disrespectful remarks of the leader of the opposition. When I am making the most serious case possible he referred to me as a comedian, and threatened that if I proceeded to make points which he did not like he would do something about it.