Mr. WARREN:

Well, let us take Ottawa. How is it that young men from the counties around Ottawa can come right in from the farms and pick up jobs here in the summer? Why is it that girls from the counties around Ottawa can come in and get jobs any time they want, at good pay? Go into the country in the Ottawa valley and look for young men who cannot get a job. I do not know where they are. Our farm boys can ge.t jobs anywhere in the country.-

Mr. WARREN:

If it is I am not aware of it. Certainly it is not in my riding. Where are they? I should like hon. members who are always telling us of these .people in dire distress to tell me just where they are.

Mr. WARREN:

As a new member of this house I have had very little to say, but I have listened-sometimes with interest, and sometimes otherwise-to a great many speeches since coming here. We on this side have been keeping rather silent regarding this question of unemployment, but we have heard innumerable speeches on it from the opposite side. Anyone who is fortunate or unfortunate enough to be getting copies of Hansard would form the impression that this dominion is teeming with unemployed men and women and with men, women and children who are not properly clothed or housed or fed.

Mr. WARREN:

That is what we are up against. Hon. members may laugh. They talk as though this government has not done a thing. The other night I was at a farmers' meeting. One of the farmers said to me, "Have you done a single thing since you went to Ottawa?" He kept repeating his question, asking what we had done. I said, "Well, I shipped your hogs when you got $6.20 for a two-hundred pound hog. You give us a two-hundred pound hog to-day and we will give you S20 or $21 for it. You sold your butter fat for 15, 18 or 20 cents a pound. Now you can get 38 cents a pound. Has there been no improvement?"

Mr. WARREN:

Perhaps it is, but when will we ever get rid of relief? The suggestion is that the federal government ought to assume the responsibility, and we had the mayors of the cities getting together and insisting that the federal government take over all this burden of relief. When will we ever get rid of it? Take all the responsibility off the municipalities and you will have relief forever. In the township in which I live, and

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in most of the townships in North Renfrew, we never went on relief; we were afraid to start it because we thought we might never get it stopped. There were times when we could have put a third of the township on relief if we had wished; they were just as deserving as a great many other people on relief, but we did not do it, and we pulled through. If we ran across needy cases we looked after them out of our own township funds, rather than have the reputation of going on relief, and I could tell you of villages that did the same thing. I remember one case in particular, where we fought for a year or two to keep a certain family off relief. Finally the man's house was burned down and he flitted away; but before he flitted away he bought a brand new Ford car to go away with. Recently that man went through our municipality with a trailer behind his car and his wife sitting at the table all dolled up with a nice new permanent, doing fancywork. Just the other day, however, I received the greatest shock of my life when, as reeve of Wilberforce township, I received a bill charging us with $192 for relief for this man, who had drifted into a city or town where he had been able to pull the wool over the eyes of the authorities. He was a young man, able to do. any kind of work.